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Why not Zeus, Odin, Ra etc?

Tell me? It would not be better, why should you have a passion in something false. Would it not be better to have passion in something real, solid, and confirm-able. Religion is a corruption. Religion causes people to do immoral things and lack the ability to allow things. Belief in gods haves given people false hope that people can function without. Religion is unnecessary, it is irrational. Why is the Christian god that has a bible that is the basis that allows slavery correct when the Islamic god that makes women second class citizens wrong.

I think I have the issues clearly in mind and have my own opinion. What I would like to know now is this — What do you think is the strongest criticism of the ideas you have presented and defended here? If there is a naturalistic explanation for the origin of information then yes, we should look for it. I would argue that the only way we could ever find such an explanation is to admit that the current laws of physics do not explain the origin of information or consciousness, thus acknowledge we are searching for a new law of physics. I am NOT doing that.

Recognizing the existence of a designer is not anti-scientific at all. It just acknowledges that there are some things that are not reducible to mere physical laws. Case in point, you cannot reduce the rules of any computer program to mere physical laws. They obey physical laws but they also follow additional rules set by the programmer.

You clearly cannot derive the genetic code from physical laws; it has every indication of being designed; and living things are better studied in the same manner that we study car engines, than in the manner that we study apples falling out of trees.

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Every human language I know of is spoken by a conscious being. I have yet to see one that emerged from a rock. This is good stuff, Perry. May I just say that, at this point in time, the evidence for the Biblical God is way beyond just DNA, as you spoke about many years ago in your presentation. My point is the evidence for the Biblical God as our designer is ridiculous, and I have to laugh everytime that I hear Richard Dawkins, or any other non-believer argue for something else.

This pattern seeking has helped us evolve over billions of years — the grass moving may be a lion waiting to pounce. Knowledge is something you learn; faith is something you believe. Only if I pay attention to the facts will I save my life. The fact is this: The earth is 4.

The universe is over 13 billion years old. Life evolved over billions of years, and humankind over the past million years. We share DNA with other primates; they are our cousins. These are facts. There are mountains of empirical evidence proving these facts.

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If your particular translation of the Bible says that our bones are made of butter, does that make it so? If it said that God was a potato, would that make it so? Of course not; the Bible was penned by fallible human beings. Even if you believe that God INSPIRED the Bible which is what it says He did , then you still have to take into account the ignorance of the writers, most of whom lived in a remote desert during the Bronze Age, and who had formerly worshipped a volcano god before converting to El worship, and then converting to Yahweh worship — and still trying to hold onto the concept of the wife of God.

The history of religion is clear. The facts regarding science are clear. Get over yourself, and just believe in God — but accept science at the same time.



Yes, the bible was written by humans, 40 unrelated humans, over years. And if you bother to look you can find it. Shallow really rocks through my mind right now…. Proof is in the creation that surrounds all living things. I understand you mean more then what we all can clearly see… and Faith, really?

What big while you were alive like Moses you met God almighty? Would God make you have faith if you met God and knew God is Real? Maybe we can all come back… well except for the shallow ones that never make it…. Just believe in God? Of course. Just believe in science? God obviously loves science…He created it and made it available to us.

You need to get over the false idea that science and God are in conflict. Wow, this is so wrong, firstly. Faith is out of context, our faith is sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. But it also says that we gain faith through hearing the word, and then the word is also proclaimed as Jesus, who is alive today and who is God.

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Your facts were taught by man, and our facts were in essence taught by the Holy Spirit, who is God. Ours is drawn from a long line of historical culture of the Jews, who spoke a few of the broadest oldest languages around then. Honestly if any man was to right the bible, it would be the biggest hypocrisy ever, we as people love sin and doing our evil desire full things, which are noted in the bible for us not to do.

There is nothing we get out of doing good on earth, apart from consequences for our actions. Those facts that you mentioned are facts that are not accepted by every scientist and they have a tendency to change. What did life and the universe evolve from? How can something evolve into a system that works quite well without specific instruction to do so? What are the chances of that even happening randomly? We share DNA with bananas, that does not make you a banana. It would sure seem helpful at times. The Bible does not say the earth is flat. The Bible does describe the God as exactly the being He would have to be in order to be able to create what has been created.

As ignorant as you want to make the writers, they wrote of things that could not have been observed with the naked eye or quite impossible for those days. They described things in the skies and provided details on geography climate, geology, topography, etc that they could simply not have discovered themselves at that time. Apparently they were not that ignorant since Biblical historical writings have been widely used by all sorts of groups that have done studies in that area of our planet.

The Creator Created our world and all of us with it by using its knowledge aka information that information is perceived and defined as science by the human race How can something so obvious be so complex for so many …..

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I think that means we all already subconsciously are aware that this is how the world works. The Bible certainly cannot be held up as such. What about other current religions with differing gods? What about previous ones? They can all point to books, visions and miracles to back up their cases. I am not denying your right to believe, religion served humanity well and much of what we created to replace it has done a worse job for society.

So god, as an intelligent entity, must also be code based?

Also, I get the argument posted about statistics and the infinitely small probability of information evolving in DNA. Life seems almost invetiable? Would it not be better to convey it in a more sure manner. He has the power, he has the knowledge how to. If god is real then he knows the way to ensure that all people know he is real and he is good.

For the purposes of debate, there are some interesting articles here that offer a potential explanation of a evolution of DNA and b why the low probability argument is flawed?